Size: Transcript: 55 pages.
Format: Originally recorded on 2 sound discs. Reformatted in 2010 as 2 digital wav files. Duration is 2 hr., 9 min.
Summary: An interview of Joel Shapiro and Ellen Phelan conducted 2009 March 3, by Judith Olch Richards, for the Archives of American Art, at Shapiro's and Phelan's home, in New York, N.Y.